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45 ROSS MEURANT VALIDATES ‘BENT COPS’

Deep in the forest

27 October 2007

CHANGED MAN: Ross Meurant believes police culture is introverted, self protecting and lacking objectivity.

Ross Meurant explains in his own words on how he has changed, how police culture has not, and why we should hold off on new anti-terror legislation.

Like most recruits, I entered the police as an impressionable young man with a basic education, from a working class environment in provincial NZ. There were hundreds of peers like me, before me and after me. I was nothing special but I was altruistic. We were all cannon fodder. Easy to manipulate. We looked at the forest before us in awe.

The moment you step into the police, this subculture within NZ culture hits you. You are immediately part of the thin blue line. You are part of a team and that team looks after itself. You are special. You are the border between good and evil. The attitudes of the police instructors, armed not with teaching certificates but with ten years’ exposure to the police subculture, either consciously or subconsciously invite you into the forest.

To step out of police college is to take the next step into the forest. You are now part of the difference between law and order in the streets where gangs would rule and evil would triumph. But for you and your fellow coppers, society would be a dangerous place. Your mission is to protect society from this evil. Very soon you learn to decide what is evil and what is not. You are no longer just a collector of human rubbish at the base of the cliff but you have an obligation; yes, even a duty to guide the country to a decent society. That direction is best decided by you and others in your sub culture of police, for what better epitomises the values of a decent society than those cherished by the men and women in blue? Your task is honourable. What better vocation than to rid the country of evil? Thus, achieving this end can even justify the means!

The further into the forest, the more pervasive becomes this police culture. The heart of the beast is centered in elite CIB squads like Regional Crime, Criminal Intelligence and Drug Squad. These are the destinations to which the most ambitious and zealous aspire. Together with the Armed Offenders Squad and Team Policing units, these entities are the bastion of police culture.

Of course there are those who do not aspire to these objectives but then, the police is also a government department, which always harbour a good number of “glide timers”: there to collect their pay and do as little as possible, which is the best route to longevity in any government agency. Often these people will suddenly find themselves floating on the top of the pool.

Every new entrant runs the same gauntlet. No recruit is ever formally “taught” to use violence, to lie and cover up. None of my mentors did that to me and I never did it to those whom I mentored. But the culture sends a very clear message. “When you witness transgression by a colleague, keep your mouth shut at worst and at best, provide an account which supports the miscreant and helps him/her out of a sticky situation.”

If you don’t, as a new recruit, you are ostracised. You may as well quit there and then. But once you have provided succor, you have taken your next step into the forest. Later you will witness another indiscretion and you will again “cover”. After all, you have been accepted as one of the team. You are “reliable”. To lose that status is not a desirable outcome. But already you are compromised. Then one day you will commit an indiscretion and others will cover for you. Then you are beholden. Then you have entered the forest proper. There is no light to show the way home.

When I speak about a police culture, I speak about the environment I have described. It is introverted, self protecting and lacking objectivity. It is a culture which looks after itself and has a certain view of how life should proceed. It is reinforced by drinking and bonding sessions. The “them and us” ethos becomes tangible. What is more, the culture is working class conservative in its origins. Bigoted and intolerant. Few of its officer corps are university graduates and even fewer hail from private schools. There is no network which pervades the upper echelons of society. The police are insular.
If someone has tattoos or hair too long or dresses the “wrong” way or does not have “acceptable” politics, then they are one of “them” and not to be trusted. Conversely liberals are a menace to stability and are even more dangerous than unemployed Maori.

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I recall when as a detective in the mid seventies, I applied to go to university and was asked by my commissioned officer: ?Meurant. Why do you want to go to university? Are you a communist?? The message was pretty clear. This was at the height of Vietnam. The police subculture did not approve of its members being associated with undesirable elements who frequented establishments of enlightenment.

When I did finally go to university I found my lecturers to include Michael Basset, Phil Goff and Helen Clark, all of whom where later my peers in parliament but who at the time I entered university shared decidedly different political beliefs to me. Yet even though I argued, as an example, that US foreign policy in Vietnam was “defensive” (domino theory), these people approved my assignments. They were prepared to tolerate a philistine within their midst, suppress their natural aversion to me and mark my opinions objectively. This, as I reflect, juxtaposes starkly the attitude or culture of the two institutions. One institution is prepared to tolerate alternative views. The other is not.

I advanced in the rank structure relatively quickly in the police and soon found myself incarcerated as supervisor in a control room; a job I loathed. So I did go to university and here, the first signs of light began to reappear. Slowly the mist began to abate and I saw things from a different perspective. In all, I did eleven years at either Auckland or Victoria universities. I am immensely grateful for how those institutions unwittingly help me exorcise the demon of excessive exposure to police culture.

This “culture” manifests in many different forms. Three recent examples will illustrate my point and demonstrate that it is as alive and well as it was in my day:

John Dewar. Recently incarcerated for, according to the view of the court, covering up for the despicable conduct of assistant commissioner Rickards and two other police officers. John Dewar was one of the best sergeants I ever had as an inspector, but the “culture” manifest in his destiny in a most tragic manner for him.

Then there was the police shooting of a man in Christchurch. The law is clear when a cop or civilian may kill another human being. One must fear, on reasonable grounds, death or grievous injury to oneself or a third person which cannot otherwise be prevented. In my view the circumstances of the killing are not as transparent as the police public relations section would have us believe. A man shot wielding a hammer on cars! Not dissimilar to a man shot wielding a golf club against shop windows.

The proper place to test the validity of police action is before a court. The strength of our police is public confidence and support; without which they are nothing. The best way to retain that public support is for transparency and that is best achieved by testing police actions in a court of law. Yet immediately after the killing we have the police association representative, completely out of line in my view, seeking to influence the outcome by claiming the shooting was justifiable and we should trust the police to judge their own actions. This of course is the manifestation once again of the police culture: look after the police. That is quite different, in my view, to looking after the rule of law.

Finally, there is the recent implementation of draconian anti-terror legislation to combat routine crimes and offences in the community. Police say they have collated information over a period of 12 months which on analysis leads them to the conclusion that there is a real threat to the stability and security of our country. The problem as I see it is, that information they have has been self assessed by the same people who collate the data or, at best, by the supervisor of the “intelligence unit” and his superior; all of whom view society from within the forest and with vested interests in producing an outcome which justifies the retention of their unit. These subjective conclusions are presented to judicial officers as the basis of justification for warrants and implementation of anti terror legislation which abrogate the most basic of our legal rights.

No longer are we protected from arbitrary detention without being charged and the legal requirement to be taken before a court as soon as possible. This I find unacceptable.

I am also disappointed that too many New Zealanders appear not to comprehend the significance of what it means to our legal structure when on the basis of subjective analysis by the police, these guardians substantially usurp the role of the judiciary as a check and balance against tyrannical tendencies. There is a fundamental flaw in the present legislation where it allows a subjective test of police information by police, to form the basis of reason to catapult us onto a terror alert footing. It is even more disturbing to me when I know type of environment where these decision are made, is deep in the forest. What the police are effectively saying is:

“In the Ureweras there are weapons of mass destruction. Trust us.”

Sound familiar?

I have been in the forest. In the seventies I was a detective on the Regional Crime and Drug Squad. I was also on the AOS. My formal police assessments were high. “Excellent” as a detective. “Outstanding” as a commissioned officer. In my formative years my immediate supervisors included detective sergeant John Hughes, detective inspector Graham Perry and later detective inspector Bruce Hutton (Hutton was my boss on my first homicide: the Crewe murders). These men were legends in their own time, each of them relentless and with a determination of mind few could match. Together with half a dozen other young detectives, we formed a formidable unit; we became a legend in our own time.

Our adversaries were serious villains: Peter Fulcher, Mihaly Bede, Terry Clarke alias Mr Asia, the Saffiti boys and several gangs. This was a particularly violent time in the history of policing in New Zealand. We were right in the middle. It was inevitable that we, who consistently faced angry men in dark alleys, would have allegations made against us. I had my share against me.

There were allegations of excessive force; that I was aware of but did nothing about an offender alleged being dangled by his ankles from the fourth floor of the police station; perjury and even one of extracting a confession from a drug dealer by playing on him Russian Roulette with a police issue revolver. These allegations were of course outrageous untruths without foundation and never sustained.

In 1981 I was seconded to the police Red Escort Group - Red Squad. I later wrote a book about the exploits of the squad. That initiative catapulted me into the headlines for the first time. On the one hand, I believe it provided the impetus for me to gain selection for National as a Member of Parliament in a conservative seat. On other hand, because I later became an MP and had written the book, The Red Squad Story, I became synonymous with Red Squad and alone have endure the odium and contempt heaped upon that police unit, as the tide of public opinion turned.

My last job in the police was inspector in charge of special operations and a criminal intelligence section. At the time the focus was on the activities of Maori activists at Carrington hospital. I took raw police data and used it in my maiden speech. At the time I believed in the conclusions we as a police unit had peer reviewed. Some form of revolution or armed insurrection had been threatened. There were threats of “Kill a white, die a hero”. Maori wanted political sovereignty. Maori activist Sid Jackson was one of several who had been to Libya. But did a contrary political view and aspirations really pose a threat to the security and stability of our country? History has provided the answer. There has been no revolution and at least one of the Maori activists of those times is now in Parliament working within the system.

I made a mistake when I took the raw police data and used in my maiden speech. It took another nine years in parliament, another three years at university and, as I do now, living in Eastern Europe where the legal protections and freedoms we take for granted often do not exist, for me to finally step out of the forest and see it for what it is.

I urge every New Zealander not to allow the state apparatus to take from you by default, legal rights people long before us fought for, died for. I urge every New Zealand to contact their Member of Parliament and express concern that the anti-terror legislation currently before parliament, be placed on “hold” until the true nature of the present police raids under the auspicious of terror legislation, is tested before the courts.

Is a delay of a few months too much to much to ask before we take the next step toward undermining the most significant legal document ever, which has endured since 1215?

The Magna Carta.

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Sunday, 21 October 2007 - 3:43 PM NZD

The following transcript of a national radio Interview builds my confidence in the police immensely

National Radio Morning report Friday 19 October 2007

Morning report And further on the issues in Ruatoki, ah and one former police officer and politician who ah is speaking out on the issue though perhaps on a different side of the debate than one might expect, is former National party and rot MP, Ross Meurant, Mr. Meurant, welcome to the program.

Ross Meurant Morning Sean.

Sean Plunket one would have expected as a former leader of Red Squad and policeman and one would say, right of center politician, you would be supportive of police actions, is that, in fact, your position?

Ross Meurant No, I heard Ron Mark earlier on your program referring to the rule of law and and his concern that it is not being upheld. Of course what Ron seems to miss is that the police also have to abide by the rule of law. Um and that’s the first point I’d like to make. Ah, no, it’s not my position to support the police. My concern is, I mean the last job I had in the police force. An inspector in charge of an intelligence gathering agency, I mean it’s a bit of an anomaly the word intelligence, police intelligence, really it’s information gathering, and my concern is, as I look back on my career that too often, information is gathered, whether it’s by the SIS or by the police, and the police are a sub-culture they have a tendency to look at everybody as villains until they prove themselves guilty.

Sean Plunket Ah, innocent, Till they prove themselves innocent.

Ross Meurant They prove themselves innocent. And they have this tendency to ahh, exaggerate to to make subjective assessments on information they get. The information is peer reviewed by someone who’s job depends on producing information for the next level up and I think it’s a very flawed process.

Sean Plunket Are you saying the bureaucratic structure of police and intelligence organizations kind of encourages them to see problems or crimes, or greater crimes than actually exist.

Ross Meurant Yes I do. And if we go back to my maiden speech. I pretty much regurgitated much of the material, ah, I had access to, in my maiden speech, and it was to name a number of people who were Maori radicals and who had, were saying the same, there was “kill a white die a hero” that type of thing in those days, and people had a different view on how the country should be run. Now I actually was a victim of the same culture and having the subjective view of the material before me.

Sean Plunket Are you saying in retrospect, that you were kind of radical baiting back in your early political career. You were misusing information in the same way.

Ross Meurant I I I didn’t, as I look at it now I can see that I have been brainwashed to the extent that I actually believed the nonsense that we were producing out of the police, that the information that we were getting in and the decisions we were reaching were too subjective, there was no man on the Clapham bus, sitting outside, looking in, and saying, ‘Is this a reasonable conclusion to draw on the basis of the information you have collected’.

Sean Plunket Mr. Meurant, The police would say that those people they went and got the warrants from perform that role.

Ross Meurant Well again there’s a step before that, you see, the police sit down and subjectively analyse the information they have and then they reach conclusions and take those conclusions to judges and say can we have a warrant on the basis of our conclusions. My point is that it is the step before that which is flawed, that the judges don’t actually have the opportunity to assess ahh.

Sean Plunket The raw data, as it were.

Ross Meurant Yeah.

Sean Plunket Alright, we’ve heard this morning from John Key that it was, in fact, the SIS that briefed politicians on this, ahh, in your experience would this then be an SIS operation, or a police operation? Because I thought there were restrictions on how the SIS could spy essentially, on New Zealand citizens.

Ross Meurant Well again that’s the next point, I think, that’s most concerning here. There always has been people running around with guns who don’t have licenses, there always will be. And there’s provision under the Arms Act for police to actually arrest and search without warrant and to use this sledge hammer to crack a nut, ah I think is most concerning, what it does, this anti-terrorism thing is to give instruments of the state, such as the police and the SIS, an excuse, an opportunity to spy on us all, and this really is George Bush stuff, I mean ahh this is the sort of stuff that caused the yanks to end up in Iraq, A subjective assessment, evaluation, I mean if you look now at the states where George Bush is now facing criticism that he’s saying the state is omnipotent, This is hagelism this is what Hitler did, That I have right to go and spy and eavesdrop on my people without getting warrants, I mean this is the problem, it’s the thin end of the wedge where these agencies start invoking draconian powers that the New Zealand government—

Sean Plunket In reality though, all the polititians and the public can do is now wait to see what doe come out and wait for somehow more information to emerge.

Ross Meurant Well I think we are going to see a number of firearms charges, but I say again those could have been brought by normal policing operations using the Arms Act, We’re probably going to see some conspiracy charges, and of course they are spurious at best, that somebody said something to somebody on the telephone. I mean, much of this stuff is wackey backey or barroom wisdom, or bravado and ah we’ll do this we’ll do that and look to take a quantum step from somebody learning bushcraft or somebody having unlawful possession of a gun and say “this is a threat to the nation, this is the penultimate step to ahh to terrorism, Imean is to draw a very long bow and I think at the end of the day we’ll look back on this chapter um with some embarrassment.

Sean Plunket Thank you for joining us. That is Ross Meurant, former National party and rot MP also a former police officer involved in Intelligence gathering and of course the red squad.

Ross Meurant, B.A. M.P.P.

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8 Responses to “45 ROSS MEURANT VALIDATES ‘BENT COPS’”

  1. LINK

    Police Association chief Greg O’Connor said yesterday that police silence had left the stage free for “predictable criticisms”.

    “When you see discredited relics of the early-1980s protest movement and irrelevant ex-cops suddenly being taken seriously as the font of all truth and knowledge, you might be forgiven for thinking the world has lost its marbles.”

    Hehehe, they don’t like it up `em.


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    Ross Muerant to John Campbell

    22 Oct 2007.

    Well the Police are a subculture within the country and within that subculture are more subcultures. Right from the beginning, and the Police will deny this, but right from the beginning there’s the attitude that it’s them and us. The racism in the Police is tangible, no then the Police will say it doesn’t exist they don’t even understand how tangible the racism is from the very beginning.

    The Police begin to see everybody you’re a villain until you prove otherwise, your hairs the wrong length, you’ve got a tattoo, and before long the Police start looking at it’s them and us. The Red Squad, Armed Offender’s Squad, I was in all these units, the mentality is there. My last job in the police was the Commissioned Officer in charge of Special Operations and a criminal intelligence section, which was focusing at the time on the Hariwera family and Sid Jackson and Carrington Hospital.

    Now all the, in subculture the problem I see this information that comes in by people who see life as the same thing, and that’s a great danger. Now I’m certain when you speak to Police and they’ll say that culture doesn’t exist but that’s wrong, it does exist and they don’t understand.

    One of the best Sergeants I ever had on my squad as an inspector was John Dewar and this mentality of it’s us it’s them, look after your mates manifest in a tragic way for him. There’s the culture emerging again, it’s look after the Police, nothing to do with the rule of law, they’re looking after the Police.

    I hear this fellow Ron Mark saying that people in the Uraweras are not obeying the rule of law but the question is are the Police obeying the rule of law? I mean, they say they are our guardians but who guards the guardians? That’s an important thing. So, and this is where I think the big problem for us is because you have within this culture the Police out there gathering information, now if you put that on to the events that have happened recently, we have someone out there who bares his buttocks to the TV, jumps on the flag and says unkind things about the Government. That offensive behaviour, but is it terrorist activity? We have people out there with unlawful weapons, unregistered weapons, there always were, there always will be. Under the arms Act the Police can go and make arrests without warrant but it’s a quantum leap in my view to say because they have these weapons, because they’re out in the bush they pose a threat to the sovereignty of the state. There maybe people saying well I’ll kill somebody, I’ll do this I’ll do that, again there’s provisions to arrest for threatening to kill.

    This is the problem though you see, when you have all this information coming in from all manner of people and probably, we’ve heard some hunters were afraid, ok, the Police have been out there for… 12 months they’ll have gathered information from weed wacked informants who maybe upset because somebodies gone through their patch, they can’t grow their cannabis, there’s competition out there, there’s bravado talk. The Police evaluate this information subjectively, the Police then say to us, but the judges gave us warrants, they’re satisfied with what we say The judges are actually being used by the Police. Because what the judges see on the application for a warrant is the conclusion the Police have reached by self-evaluating of their raw data. It’s the thin end of the wedge in my view. The intelligence agencies wether they’re George Bush’s team which ended up putting him in Iraq or here, its this unfortunate culture, it’s the nature of the beast the deeper in the forest you go the worse this distortion of reality becomes and I think Helen Clark has been a marvellous Prime Minister for us but I would say to her that she should tread very carefully here because she treads on our dreams, because what we are seeing now is no longer the right that New Zealanders understood, you cannot be detained by the Police unless you are charged, if you are charged you’ve got to go before the Court within 24 hours. You can’t be detained indefinitely. By using this terrorist legislation the Police now abrogate all those rights.

    Look I’m the first to admit that I was as guilty as I say the Police are now. When I took information that was available to me as an Inspector in charge of the Criminal Intelligence Section and used it in my maiden speech. And in those days it was kill a white, die a hero, Sid Jackson had just gone to Libya, I mean I’ve just come back from Syria, does that make me a terrorist? But in those days I really believed, I was still brainwashed by the police department’s attitude and I believed the conclusions that we had reached were valid. Well twenty years has passed, there hasn’t been any revolution, in fact one of the Hariweras, he was the focus of our attention is now in parliament. And I think when all this is washed up and we’re gong to see quite a few people charged with firearm offences, maybe somebody burgled something, somebody been smoking wacky baky, somebody might have said bad things I’m gonna kill you but really it’s an awful long bow to draw to say this poses a threat to the nation and therefore we must have these omnipotent powers to eavesdrop on everybody, curtail the rights that we’ve all know for so long. So tread softly Prime Minister.


  3. The frankness, openness and bloody minded honesty of Ross Muerants statement is suffocating. There wouldn’t be a cop in the police force who would disagree with it.


  4. Getting them to admit it ‘on the record’ is another matter though Ross.


  5. It might not be so hard to get them to admit it now don’t you think. That misfit Broad could very well be the first to do it after todays events.


  6. The fish head stinks at the top. Remove the head you may save the body!!!
    The food comes in, goes thru the process and what pops out is the sh#T.
    What is the problem the food or the process?

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  7. Ross Meurant - Jack’s (or should I say Bobeachway’s) favourite bum buddy, regulalry quotes him on Trademe don’t ya Bob. You just love him taking you to that forest and sticking it up your arse aye Bob?


  8. So Bruiser, it’s come to this has it? Until now you’ve been civil, (friendly even) and humorous, what’s come over you, has someone discovered your true identity?


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